We know the pain of the customers when they tirelessly look for the WHMCS developers in the hosting industry who can build their hosting website in a presentable manner. Thereafter, the customer has to deal with the headache of building WHMCS compatible with their website. So, in order to burn all this pain for WHMCS users or web hosting business owners, we have built this amazing HostX Solution, which is a prebuilt WHMCS web hosting theme. The new version of HostX WHMCS Web Hosting Template includes a redesigned WHMCS Client Area and Admin Panel with multiple amazing features like Tracking Codes, SEO Manager, Testimonial Manager, Social Media Sharing, and much more.
It is the most unique as well as creative web hosting WHMCS template, exceptionally designed for web hosting business websites. The template design is clean, simple, sleek, and highly customizable without any technical assistance. Moreover, the redesigned client area is incredibly advanced to provide your clients a whole new level of experience.
Client Area Demo Login Details
Username: democlientx@gmail.com Password: demo
HostX comes with 4 different color variations to choose from. You can choose anyone for your purchase.
It comes with 20+ prebuilt pages that you can choose from for your web hosting website, you can also customize the pages using the Drag N Drop page builder. Also, you can create new pages in the HostX CMS Theme.
List of Pages that comes predesigned:
This feature list has made HostX the best web hosting theme available in the WHMCS market.
Fully compatible with WHMCS v8.1, 8.0, and below versions. The new version of HostX comes with a fully redesigned Client area and Admin Panel. You can figure out whether you are using a WHMCS or any other billing platform.
Choose the license package as depend upon your requirements.
What is included in the license package?
What is not included in the license package?
Paid Theme Services Offered with One Step Checkout Order Form
Yes, HostX is a complete web hosting theme that comes with 21+ prebuilt pages. You can create as many new pages as you want with the HostX Advance page manager feature. It is a complete package (WHMCS Front End Website + WHMCS Client Area + Custom Order Form).
Yes, HostX is a one time purchase. You need to purchase it onetime only and need to renew support and updates after one year.
HostX is a fully customizable WHMCS theme, you can customize any section of the HostX using the Blocks Manager feature in the WHMCS admin. You can also create custom designed blocks and add them in any page you want to.
No, HostX is a WHMCS theme. We have created HostX in a manner that it is very hard to determine that whether HostX is a WordPress or a WHMCS theme. You need to install the HostX in the main domain.
Yes, HostX comes with a redesigned client area and order form.
Yes, you can create new pages in the HostX theme. HostX has an Advance Page Manager that allows users to create new pages from WHMCS admin and you can set banner image, title, and do other settings. Just create a new page assign the blocks using drag and drop page builder and save it.
Yes, you can upgrade HostX plan anytime you want. In order to upgrade your existing plan, you can either contact us by raising a ticket or use the “Upgrade Plan” option within your dashboard.
Yes you can check out the detailed documentation of the HostX at: http://wiki.whmcsglobalservices.com/index.php?title=HostX_WHMCS_Web_Hosting_Template
Yes, HostX comes with 21+ pre-built pages, you can change the images, texts,, menus, and other details anytime from the WHMCS admin. Not only that, you can create as many new pages as you want with the HostX WHMCS theme, with its advanced Page Manager.
Yes, HostX is fully SEO friendly, it comes with an inbuilt WHMCS SEO Manager tool that will allow WHMCS admin to add Meta Tags, OG Tags, Meta Robots.
Yes we have price table editor in the WHMCS admin by which you can change the contents of the pricing tables.
Yes you can add, edit and delete top menu items from the menu editor in the WHMCS admin.
Yes, you can change the logos anytime you want from the theme settings. You can also set the logo height and width from the settings.
Yes, you can change your HostX Theme color as we provide 4 different color templates and you can set any one at a time. Moreover, you can customize the theme color accordingly by adding custom CSS in WHMCS Admin Panel.
Yes, HostX have all the default WHMCS marketplace pages.
Yes, HostX have all the client area pages predesigned.
Free support will be valid for 1 year, after then you need to pay for the support and updates.
No, due to the nature of the product refunds are not applicable. We have shown the demo of the theme,so please go through it and decide.
It will cost $59 for 1 year free support and updates.
Yes everything that you can see inside the HostX can be changed from the WHMCS admin of the HostX, so you can easily change the images and texts from the WHMCS admin.
Yes HostX supports multi-language and multi-currency.
HostX works well for reselling hosting businesses. You can easily set up a reseller hosting business using HostX.
Yes, it supports WHMCS v8.1.X and all the above versions of WHMCS.
One license is valid for 1 domain only, but if you want to install it on multiple sites you need to purchase the Enterprise version of the theme. You can still install it on multiple domains under the same organization.
There is no whmcs theme that can support all whmcs modules, however if you face any issues with compatibility with HostX we will make HostX compatible with the module.
Yes you can set the prices of the domain from the WHMCS admin domain section. It will automatically gets fetched in the front end website.
Yes in the blocks there is a footer block from which you can change the links of the social media icons.
Yes, you can enable social login from the WHMCS admin and it will start showing on the login page.
Yes you can change it from the WHMCS admin default contact us form destination email.
Yes we have given an option to view/hide the phone number.
HostX can be used by Web Hosting Provider, SSL Service Provider, VPN Service Provider, Domain Service Provider, VOIP Service Provider, and IPTV Service Provider companies.
The best place to start if you need help with a specific product is to contact the developer. All WHMCS Marketplace developers have both a website and support URL listed.
WHMCS V8.0.x compatibility released
Compatible with WHMCS 7.10
HostX is now compatible with WHMCS 7.9.2 Fixed removal of WHMCS trademark (Powered by WHMCS) from HostX Design Fixes and Improvements Password reset button visibility issue on Password Reset page issue fixed.
HostX made compatible with WHMCS 7.9.1
We have redesigned the Admin Area of the HostX, you will see it very user-friendly and easy to use.
New Blog Page added
New offer block added.
Redefined Architecture of WHMCS HostX Admin Area
Added Advance Page Manager (Create, Delete & Edit a Page)
Copy Any Block Feature Added
Banners Assigning Is Now Streamlined
Language Manager Introduced (Language manager allows you to edit the languages files in the WHMCS admin, rather than logging into the FTP or Cpanel.)
New Front End Banner Introduced
Marketing Popup Feature Added
Complete Admin Nomenclature Update
Top menu validation over Guest Only or Client Only.
Top Menu bar according to language variable
Home Page Products Billing Improvisation
Payment Page Improvisation On Checkout Page
SEO Features Improvised.
My Messages Bar Will Come After Client login
Admin Editor Improvisations
On Contact Us Page Company Name & Phone Number made Dynamic
Footer phone number and email address made dynamic
Dedicated slider improvisations
Dedicated Server Page, price filter now supports multicurrency.
Dedicated Page and Terms and Condition Page URL name Updated.
New Features
Improvements
Bugs Fixing
Ajax Based Domain Search Easy to pick and choose multiple services.
##SEO Manager:
Easy Google analytics integration. Create Site map in Seconds. Seamlessly integrate Meta tags and descriptions Easily share your content on Social Media
##Live chat Integration:
Inbuilt integration of Live chat, Tawak , Zendesk Now Convert more queries into sales.
##Right to Left Compatible
best theme out there for Arabic or Hebrew ##Client Area Impressive and easy to use Dashboard. Manage the look of the website from the admin.
We have made the some changes in block manager so that unlimited blocks can be assign to any single page Fixed the block data assigned issue in upgrade case Improve the support department layout if more than 5 department page will not broken Now product group ordering should display according to WHMCS default product group order process Category Group Icon assigned issue fixed We have change the side menu variable so that both Hostx and ClientX menu could not be clashed Add / Edit page remove menu selection in edit case and only active menu will comes in creating new pages. Added product review menu in addon custom url feature for top header/side menu so that user can put third party url as well open url in new tab overrides.js option added Menu caption button and caption text need to be through language variable Last menu need to be through language manager
Modern and fully responsive WHMCS email template, containing 3 different styles.
Lara is a WHMCS Admin theme, using the open source AdminLTE package.
A modern and fully responsive control panel style client area theme for WHMCS.
Fully responsive WHMCS template offering the choice of different styles and layouts for the ultimate user experience.
Selwyn Orren @Sellies
Initially I was not too happy with a great deal of inconsistencies and small bug items that were broken. Originally I left an okayish review for them as I like what they had done and had a huge appreciation for the hard work to build this product. I have always said their support is pretty good, but now I have to say the support is brilliant, actually beyond brilliant.
Sandeep made contact with me, we spoke about the challenges, the bugs and so forth and within one day, he had tackled every issue I had, fixed, tweaked and explained it all. He seriously left me so impressed I shared my experience with everyone I met that day. This is how support should always be.
So yes the template takes time and effort to construct everything, but then if you own/run a hosting company you know that everything takes time and effort. This is truly a great template system. Not only do you have one site to deal with and no longer have to maintain two sites. It loos great, works great and leaves you feeling great, knowing that you potential customers are having a brilliant experience navigating your site and purchasing your product.
Great job Sandeep and team at WGS. You have taken my rating from a 3 star all the way up to a 5 star!
WHMCS Global Services @whmcsglobalservices
Thank you Mr. Selwyn it was not possible without your support.
Owner@WHMCS Global ServicesRob Groocock @rob5430
We started working this this product at the beginning of 2021. Took a little while to get our heads around the blocks on the backend of the theme but once you've mastered that, it's fairly easy. It does require some patience. If you're just looking for a out of the box website to become a hosting company then this isn't for you, however if you're serious about and intend to put the work and dedication in, then you should definitely be considering this one!!
I can not fault the support team here, we had a licencing issue after upgrading one of our servers which was causing a headache for both parties, but credit where it's due, they persevered until the problem was resolved. Thank you WGS!
WHMCS Global Services @whmcsglobalservices
Thank you Mr. Rob for the feedback
Owner@WHMCS Global Servicesamusedhost @amusedhost9915
WHMCSGlobalServices company is the name of Trust
I have been working with WHMCSGlobalServices for almost a year now. This company has not disappointed me once. They understand my requirements very easily, work on my site as if they are working on their own site, they care for my business like their own. It is the best IT company to work with. The communication is perfect, however, they have one small issue which is their cost is a little bit higher than other companies but that is totally worth it because of the quality and service they provide
Debasish @debasish1480
Great theme with great support.
WHMCS Global Services @whmcsglobalservices
Thank you @debasish1480
Owner@WHMCS Global ServicesThorsten Wallbrecher @thorsten1103
HostX works fine after many problems
WHMCS Global Services @whmcsglobalservices
Thank you Mr. Thorsten supporting us!
Owner@WHMCS Global ServicesClameHost.it Hosting @claudio4945
Very best WHMCS template! good work guys!
WHMCS Global Services @whmcsglobalservices
Thank you @ ClameHost for your feedback!
Owner@WHMCS Global ServicesHardik Joshi @hardik6011
the design really awesome i hired an UI developer but i did't get the result what i want and expected but i check out the Hostx theme and i got all things which i want.
Value of Money :)
Adam L. Jenkins @adam5020
This is the best WHMCS Theme I've ever used. Its Live Timer on Offer and Live Chat options are very useful in order to make my client area more user-friendly.
System Administrator @system8429
"Great theme and it gets better with every update. The support team is very responsive and extremely knowledgeable and helpful. Extremely happy with the purchase. I highly recommend it to any future web hosting provider"
We only needed to connect our products to our servers, but everything else on the theme is ready to go.
We can call it a, "Whmcs Turnkey", webhosting theme
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Roberto @roberto8938
That true don't work with some of the module from WHMCSServices or ModulesGarden
WHMCS Global Services @whmcsglobalservices
@Roberto have you tried the latest version because we have made the compatibility with modulesgarden module and WHMCSServices already made their module compatible with HostX Theme.
Owner@WHMCS Global ServicesETHAN ZENG @ethan8195
I just installed the theme again. it has changed a lot. Very God. I love it
Sandra G. @phigi
I love this theme. The support is great. I was helped very quickly!
joe morris @joe6848
Great theme and it gets better with every update. Support is always quick to respond. I've been very happy with this theme and the other wmhcsglobalservices provisioning modules i have been using.
Adam @adam8037
Dont work with popular module like whmcsservices.com or modulesgarden.com
WHMCS Global Services @whmcsglobalservices
HI @Adam have you tried the latest hostx version please open the ticket and send us the bug report we will take the serious action straight away. Looking forward your cooperation to make this theme more productive.
Owner@WHMCS Global ServicesDidier Serge Dushime @didierserge8961
We have used Hostx , and it was a good theme, our clients like it. I highly recommend it to any future web hosting provider.
Aliasgar Dhoon @aliasgar2207
This is the easiest and well made themes for whmcs, period! I've tried many and nothing comes close. Their builtin control panel is an amazing feature. There are definitely some limitations but those can be easily tweaked. The support team is very responsive and extremely knowledgable and helpful. Extremely happy with the purchase!
Lars Battak @lars1532
I bought this Theme a while ago and can only say it is the worst Theme i ever encountered.
It never even works continuously cuz the license go "Invalid" every now and then.
Response times are a pure nightmare (if you even get an answer..).
If you got month of time to debug this and rework the most part of it it might be a try but in this state i won´t consider buying this.
Wasted my money on this thing nothing more.
WHMCS Global Services @whmcsglobalservices
HI @Lars i m sorry to hear that you were having issue with our theme but as i checking i could not find your account in our billing panel. The issue you are explaining regarding licence we check the licence locally. Remotely it checked only after 10 days so i don't think this issue can be happen. If you still facing the issue please open the ticket we will be happy to assist you.
Owner@WHMCS Global Servicesbrazos.abdu @brazosabdu3183
Make your website better with this theme!!
ETHAN ZENG @ethan8195
============= BEST THEME IN MARKET !!!!! ============= BEST THEME IN MARKET !!!!! ========= YOU MUST BUY IT===
I just wanted to said I am sorry for the bad review I gave before you didn't deserve it. I was mad just for the smallest thing. But overall WHMCS global Service is a great company. They are very nice. The theme is the Best in the market and Good support and product, good luck with sales!
PLEASE ORDER THIS THEME;
Bilal Khan @bilal2118
I am using this theme and this is a great theme.
Kadir Mert @kadir2361
They are very good. They help with all my problems. I thank the whole team.
brijendra sial @brijendra5442
This is one of the best product available in market as WHMCS theme. Hostx makes it easy for web master to create and deploy website. The site is divided in modules and is very easy to use. I never thought this much easily I could ever make website in whmcs. The full credit goes to manvinder and his team. Awesome job and keep going
Toufika Nahar @toufika9908
******WARNING*****WARNING******WARNING******WARNING******WARNING*********
THIS THEME IS FULL OF BUGS! BUY IT AT YOUR OWN RISK - SOFTWARE IS NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE
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As many people have said this software is FULL of bugs, missing files and generally not fit for purpose.
I would strongly advise against buying this. Agreed to @john3165
Yes don't buy... this theme will destroy your time and money ... They don't resolve issues and did play with live chat while they know you are their client, i did check my self my login from different IP ...same person but did not reply my original client account ...
They are from India and looks like a Thugs of Hindusthan - looting money
Anyways I have escalated the dispute on PayPal for my refund ...Let see what they do... I will come back once I get reply to the Paypal dispute.
And i am sure those are provided 5* they are not real buyer ....
Hans Durivou @hans6662
Afther having tested a lot with wordpress themes that work with api software towards WHMS, we decided to go to a design without api software. The reason is that you keep updating both the wordpress side and the api software (which costs a lot of money and time).
After quite a few tests, the choice fell on whmcsglobalservices.com.
HostX is very flexible and you get a lot for your money, easy to build and adapt to everyone's wishes.
And that from the admin side in WHMCS itself.
Then the other side of the story and it is certainly important that Whmcsglobalservice offers you good support (free of charge) if you have other wishes (customization) then you can request this via the website in the form of a quote, after which the invoice will follow.
I like having 1 point of contact who can take care of both front-end design and back-end (linux programming).
We are now 1.5 years further and we purchase several products from this company and are all satisfied with the products and services that have been delivered to us.
I have to admit that the documentation can better the same story for the structure of updating the software.
Altogether, a lot of value for a small amount of money.
Kind regards, Hans Durivou
CEO PageXS.com
David Lugayavu @david2983
This theme helped me start me Web Hosting company
Ravi Prakash @ravi3715
Very Good & professional Looking template.
Very friendly Support... Recomended!
realmix @realmix2321
I fell in love for a first sight. This template is magnificent and I love it on my website.
Support is very helpful and nice.
100% good spent money :)
Hamid Amrabadi @hamid3256
PLEASE READ THIS, BEFORE YOUR REGRET
We purchased a theme from WHMCS Global Services and we had many issues from first step of installation.
Their customer service is useless and very rude! I have a copy of their chat when they refuse to help in a very un-polite way and say "we don't care and we already have 250 customers!"
Anyway, just wanted to share our experience with them, happy to share more information if required.
We finally got our money back by disputing through paypal and they didn't even reply back to their PayPal case!
Batuhan CELIKEL @batuhan8274
I've been dealing with this ridiculous theme for about 6 months. The theme is definitely not handy. There are too many errors and it is very difficult to optimize. I also bought an optimization service, but they didn't optimize. They didn't refund and didn't accept my request to replace it with another product. In short, my money went to the trash. I have been waiting for them to reply to my last message for 20 days. Thank you WGS :)
Trent Morrison-Francis @trent1147
Great software and easy to use once you know what you need to do.
Support is super good when you get them on live chat.
Happy with purchase just need to factor in a weird time zone to where I am now.
English is not their first language so if your using it in English then your going to need to make some changes - its a great way to get the design how you want \ need it.
ADELHEID @adelheid1751
Ich habe das Thema verlassen und werde es weiterempfehlen. Großartige Unterstützung. Ich benutze auch ihr VMware-Modul, es ist auch sehr gut.
John M @john3165
******WARNING*****WARNING******WARNING******WARNING******WARNING*********
THIS THEME IS FULL OF BUGS! BUY IT AT YOUR OWN RISK - SOFTWARE IS NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE
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As many people have said this software is FULL of bugs, missing files and generally not fit for purpose.
I would strongly advise against buying this.
Sergey Troshin @sergey3761
Perfect for my hosting website.
Petr Blanar @petr4663
I love the concept on which they have developed this product. They tried to deliver a solution that resembles Wordpress. I will recommend it.
Maikel Van Eylen @maikel8038
The new version is a great update to all bugs with a refreshing admin panel that I love, Hope WHMCS backend should be of that color scheme. An issue that is left is regarding Database syncing. They are saying that it is fixed and will release a new update soon. Else the theme is working perfect for us.
Michael Foland @michael5932
While I must say that there's some bugs with this template, I have to say it is AMAZING!
The folks at WHMCS Global Services allowed us a free license of the template so I could try it on my website and review it. I have to say it is fully customizeable, and with the issues I had, the fine support staff were actually able to fix it, and let me know us know what was going on.
I highly recommend this template! The customers on our site LOVE IT, and I am getting great feedback. I'll be honored to work with HostX to continue to provide them suggestions! Tell them Mike from BestPHP Scripts sent you! You need to download this template!
WHMCS Global Services @whmcsglobalservices
Thanks Mike, We are improving our theme and it can only be done with the customer's support.
Owner@WHMCS Global ServicesWe really appreciate!
Regards
WHMCS Global Services
Gloria Grayson @gloria5799
****WARNING*********WARNING*********WARNING*********WARNING*********WARNING*****
THIS THEME IS FULL OF BUGS! GO AHEAD AND BUY IT ANY WAY AND CALL THE EXTERMINATORS!!!
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While it is true that the theme is buggy, let's all try to keep in mind that this theme incorporates some really nice ground breaking features. Take for example the drag & drop page builder designed for WHMCS --- totally awesome concept. Another weak point is the skimpy documentation and/or lack there of -- extremely frustrating! Additionally, there are files containing hardcoded content that's tricky (but not impossible) to customize. But after working with the theme for about a week, I was able to honestly give it 4 stars (-1 for lack of proper documentation). It's a fresh new concept for WHMCS and it is loaded with potential (along with a ton of bugs). But I can remember way back when WHMCS itself was new and buggy too.
Pro's
Fantastic Customer Support (Thanks Aaron!)
Responsive design
Well put together demo content
Beautiful demo graphics
Fast Loading
Good integration with WHMCS Products/Services
Drag & Drop page builder
Con's
Poor Documentation
SEO could be better with meta tags for Facebook & Twitter
Hardcoded "hidden" content (please remove for next version)
Client area missing several "standard" information blocks
Order form is kind of bland
If the overall goal is a professional looking site that's tightly integrated with WHMCS then this is a good choice. With a little effort and a ton of support from Aaron and his development team, we were able to customize the theme to resemble our former WordPress site. No more bridges, slow loading pages and bot registrations.
If you add up the cost of a WordPress theme, and a couple of premium WordPress plugins then you will find that the cost is reasonable, all things considered. I am looking forwarding to seeing what other innovations will be included in the next version.
WHMCS Global Services @whmcsglobalservices
Thanks Gloria,
Owner@WHMCS Global ServicesWe are rigorously working to fix out the Bugs in the theme.
Thanks for your kind support in making our product improve, so we will be able to release the stable version.
Regards
WHMCS Global Services
ETHAN ZENG @ethan8195
Don't say that issue was resolved. I removed the theme from my website. For your information, I was one who canceled the PayPal dispute. Because of the good support I got from your team, Even though, the theme is very buggy;
It was was a waste of time and money. I will transfer my license for free to anybody if you allow me.
I wanted to be very rude, but I met some nice people in your company, because of them I won't say anything.
WHMCS Global Services @whmcsglobalservices
This comment has been removed as the issue between Client and us has been handled.
Owner@WHMCS Global ServicesJoshua Osehon @joshua5396
I was looking out for a solution like this to restructure my website. There are many things that I need to understand before implementing the changes in this theme. But the support team provided me great help to fix all my issues and concerns. Good luck for future sales.
Alex Popescu @alex9054
Seen on other forums that there is a lot of issues, specially with the payment pages like credit card, all messy.
George Miller @George
While the aesthetics of the theme are spot on, working with the theme is a total and complete nightmare. Documentation is spotty or nonexistent. The theme itself is full of bugs! For $170 USD, it should just friggin WORK straight out of the gate. We are working with Version V1.0.6 and after a full 7 days of frustration, we are considering moving BACK to WordPress at least we would have had a fully function site with 7 days worth of work.
Pros
Beautiful front-end user interface
Responsive design
Live Chat Support
Cons
Piss poor documentation
Too Damn Difficult to customize/make changes to demo content
Page blocks do not function as expected -- buggy
SEO is a joke
Extremely overpriced! Definitely NOT worth the money!
Would have given a 3 star rating but there are just too many damn things that just do not friggin function properly. What a total waste of time and effort. There is absolute no way any team NOT associated with the original design and development team could deploy this on a live site in one day. JUST TOO DAMN BUGGY!!!!
WHMCS Global Services @whmcsglobalservices
Hi George,
Owner@WHMCS Global ServicesWe understand your concerns here. We have already worked on fixing the issues you were getting. Hope you are happy now.
Thanks
Team WHMCS Global Services.
Abdul Vasi @abdul4336
A great cool design template given my hosting website a totally new look. Thank you guys for all your support.
Joshua Treudler @joshua3316
An awesome template with a decent design, my hosting website is looking amazing only just because of WGS team. I am in love with this template. Thank you team.
ANIRBAN GHOSH @anirban9024
Superb template with an amazing appearance and very easy to use, gave my hosting website an elegant look. Thank you so much team.
Lijo Varghese @lijo9561
The best WHMCS template and amazing redesigned modules and too easy to use.
Jorge Gomez Claro @jorge4724
A very beautiful template made by these excellent WGS guys. My hosting website is looking fab just because of them, Thank you.
Francis PETOT @francis5942
This HostX template is the best template I have ever seen which made my website the best in comparison to all others. Thank you WGS team to give this beautiful and bugs free template. It is totally perfect and hats off to WGS guys.
Alessandro Daniele @alessandro6406
Great template, awesome modules and very easy to use. Took my website to another world. Thank you so much WGS.
Denny Stamos @denny9758
This website hosting template is totally amazing, gave my website a decent look and moreover, it is user-friendly. All my thanks to WGS team those who made this excellent template.
Robbi Rice @robbi6312
I am completely overwhelmed by this theme. WGS guys are incredibly talented and took a great step in producing a web hosting template which has an elegant design and is user-friendly. I took a very customizable approach and got a new hosting website.
Ozgur Ulusoy @ozgur2939
The best WHMCS template I must say, great product in 2019.
Dylan BAUDRY @dylan6176
The first version is full of bugs, though it was a beta version. But the latest 1.0.3 version is very refined and with more customizations than we thought of. The team helps us in managing many things that we required custom. Good support and product, good luck with sales!